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Not at all,just because you have feeling of what must be doesn't make it so. It is just your opinion. As southshore and netminder pointed out, to others it does make a difference. To stiff or heavy of a leader itsn't really needed. But, if you think it is needed then fish that way. When others say they don't feel its needed kindly respect their opinion enough to say if they are happy with it and have no problems then that all that counts isn' t it. I have never used 27lb leadcore. I have fished 18lb lead since the early eighties. Even when we chartered never needed to go up in line weight. In either leadcore or lead leader. And as southshore pointed out it will make a difference when using smaller spoons or body baits. But please understand I may not know as much as others, just an old fishermen that likes to catch fish for fun. The only time we went heavier was during fall combat fishing, thats when you couldn't allow them to run and just winched them in.

I never engaged in conversation about what anyone chooses to run, I simply disputed things stated as fact. I don't care if you run 4 lb test.

It was implied that 20 lb was somehow more sporting than 25 or 30lb. I disagreed.

40 lb leaders were used as an example which was not part of what I was discussing.

It's called a discussion.

I never said nor implied what must be. Ed, you should stop inferring malice into my posts every time I am in a discussion and don't agree or have my own opinion on the matter.

No malice at all just saying that you seem to think that your way is best. It may be for you. Others state what works well for them. I say great if thats what works for them.

Even someone like Dan Keating has stated that at times has said that will even go down to 12lb. line. so there must be a difference that others feel is needed.

Again - tell me where I said my method was better. I asked a question and stated something about my own experience.

I do not feel the need to quote what I said and to be sure I went back and re read my posts. I never said nothing of the sort.

You are making stuff up now.

SafeCracker wrote:

No one is running, or even suggested, 40-50lb leaders to terminal tackle from the leadcore to the terminal tackle.

I have not noticed a difference in the fish catching productivity between 20#, 25#, and 30# long line leaders. If 20# leaders had been more productive I would have switched back a long time ago.

It seems that others are happy going lighter. And, again it is simply anothers opinion.

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That was from my personal experience just like your light tackle kings is from yours.

So personal experiences are ok as long as they fit the majority narrative.

Tight lines and light lines Ed.

I think we all have different experiences and ultimately go off what we have confidence in. A few years ago I switched my riggers from 20lb to 30lb test and noticed my catch rates drop noticeably on the riggers. I moved back to 20lb test and never looked back. Could have been coincidence sure but I had confidence in the 20 so thats where I ended up.

This year, I have changed my line brand.......so hopefully I dont start having some break off!

All in all, I think we all subscribe to the general rule that lighter line will bring you more strikes else we would all use 50lb plus on our leaders to ensure we never ever had a break off. What it really boils down too is how light are you comfortable with and for everyone that will be different based on personal historic experience.

Well here we go again, I dont remember anything stated as fact, but hey I am getting old and have a hard time remembering the begining of the sentence I am writing. To get Sporty or technical we would have to discuss the composition of the rod, the rod action, the make up of the reel, bearing, drag, gear ratio, the diameter of the line, the different bait actions, optimum speed for each and how they all act together to produce something the target fish will bite. but that is way too long a discussion. Never said stealthy or sporty but did say that back in the old days we used 30# test, left out on stiff rods, as it was all about putting fish in the boat for customers. Personally I prefer the advancements the industry have made over the years and I run lighter tackle from line to rod to reel. In my opinion the best bang for the buck and versitile from beginner to seasoned veteran is 20# today. I run lighter on some stuff but not any heavier, again just my opinion. I do tie my own flies and meat rigs but I guess I will keep these fish catching tips a secret to limit the criticism. Oh I guess I could throw in that when I started chasing these fish seriously it was a lot different than today, no leadcore, no inline boards, no Dipsey Divers, no GPS, no speed/temp probes, a couple lure manufacturers, and maybe 5 or 6 different colors. Oh yeah and none of these fishing boards to help out, as Al Gore hadn't invented the internet yet.

Well everyone the silver lining to these (answers/debate) is that I learned a lot. I am very thankful for all the information and feel very confident now in how I'm going to rig these. My reels arn't top of the line I run Diawa Accudepths 47 line counters on most of my trolling rods which hold quite a bit of line so I should be able to back these proper. A lot of awesome tips and advice in here everyone thanks again!!!!

You can use those reels for much longer segments of leadcore or copper. Nothing wrong with those. I have been through a few of them myself.